Legislature(2003 - 2004)

05/06/2004 03:20 PM House JUD

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HB 54 - ASSAULT ON SCHOOL EMPLOYEES                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Number 2259                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR McGUIRE announced that the  next order of business would be                                                               
SPONSOR SUBSTITUTE  FOR HOUSE  BILL NO. 54,  "An Act  relating to                                                               
the crime of assault."                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Number 2242                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  BOB LYNN,  Alaska State  Legislature, sponsor  of                                                               
SSHB 54, said  that current law imposes penalties  on persons who                                                               
assault  law  enforcement  officers,  firefighters,  correctional                                                               
officers,   and   emergency    medical   technicians,   ambulance                                                               
attendants,  paramedics, and  other  emergency  responders.   The                                                               
bill proposes to add school employees  to the list of persons for                                                               
which  someone may  be penalized  for assaulting.   He  mentioned                                                               
that SSHB 54 has been  recommended as priority legislation by the                                                               
Anchorage School  District (ASD).   As a former employee  in many                                                               
of  the aforementioned  fields, he  said he  could relate  to the                                                               
need  for this  legislation.   If teachers  are to  keep children                                                               
safe, he  opined, the least that  the legislature can do  is help                                                               
protect  teachers and  other  school employees.    He noted  that                                                               
members' packets  include a letter  of support from  the National                                                               
Education Association  (NEA) - Alaska.   In conclusion,  he asked                                                               
members to support SSHB 54.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  McGUIRE,  in response  to  a  question, read  the  statute                                                               
referenced in  SSHB 54  on page  1, lines 11-13,  and on  page 2,                                                               
lines 2-4 - AS 11.41.230:                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     Sec. 11.41.230.  Assault in the fourth degree.                                                                             
        (a) A person commits the crime of assault in the                                                                        
     fourth degree if                                                                                                           
       (1) that person recklessly causes physical injury                                                                        
     to another person;                                                                                                         
        (2) with criminal negligence that person causes                                                                         
        physical injury to another person by means of a                                                                         
     dangerous instrument; or                                                                                                   
           (3) by words or other conduct that person                                                                            
      recklessly places another person in fear of imminent                                                                      
     physical injury.                                                                                                           
         (b) Assault in the fourth degree is a class A                                                                          
     misdemeanor.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR McGUIRE surmised  that the bill pertains only  to the crime                                                               
of assault in the fourth degree  and that the bill's reference to                                                               
the aforementioned  statute is  merely setting  mandatory minimum                                                               
sentences.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Number 2098                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GARA remarked  that  the bill  appears to  punish                                                               
reckless  assault and  verbal assault,  and asked  why it  didn't                                                               
focus on intentional assault.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE LYNN offered that the  language in the bill merely                                                               
mirrors   current  statute   with   regard   to  assaulting   law                                                               
enforcement  officers, firefighters,  correctional officers,  and                                                               
emergency medical technicians,  ambulance attendants, paramedics,                                                               
and other emergency responders.   Basically, the bill adds school                                                               
employees to that list.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GARA said  he is  troubled  by mandating  minimum                                                               
sentences for  the crimes referenced  in the bill,  and suggested                                                               
leaving the sentencing up to the judge's discretion.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  McGUIRE pointed  out, however,  that  the current  statute                                                               
being altered by  SSHB 54 stipulates a mental  state of knowingly                                                               
and already  provides mandatory minimum sentences  for the crimes                                                               
referenced in the  bill.  She noted that all  the persons listed,                                                               
both in the  current statute and in the bill,  must be engaged in                                                               
the performance  of official  duties in order  for an  assault on                                                               
them to  be considered a crime  under this proposed statute.   In                                                               
response to a  question, she reread AS 11.41.230(a)(3):   "(3) by                                                               
words  or other  conduct  that person  recklessly places  another                                                               
person in fear of imminent  physical injury".  She predicted that                                                               
a "reasonable person" standard would be used.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GARA said  he isn't  sure  whether that  standard                                                               
would be used.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GRUENBERG  suggested  that   the  bill  need  not                                                               
propose the addition  of a new paragraph (2)  to current statute;                                                               
instead,  it could  merely add,  "an employee  of an  elementary,                                                               
junior  high, or  secondary  school"  to the  list  set forth  in                                                               
paragraph  (1) of  the bill,  the list  that is  already part  of                                                               
current statute.  Much of  the language in proposed paragraph (2)                                                               
is already part of current statute,  he noted.  He also suggested                                                               
that they tighten the title.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Number 1889                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  LYNN  indicated   he  would  view  Representative                                                               
Gruenberg's suggestion as a friendly amendment.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG  suggested debating  AS 11.41.230(a)(1),                                                               
(2), and (3) separately, since they are three separate crimes.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR McGUIRE agreed,  and reread AS 11.41.230(a)(1):   "(1) that                                                               
person recklessly causes physical injury to another person;".                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG said  he has no problem  providing for a                                                               
mandatory minimum  sentence of 60  days when that crime  has been                                                               
committed against  a school employee,  and characterized it  as a                                                               
reasonable sentence.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  McGUIRE reread  AS 11.41.230(a)(2),  which  says in  part:                                                               
"(2) with criminal negligence that  person causes physical injury                                                               
to another person by means of a dangerous instrument;".                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG  said he  has no problem  with providing                                                               
for a mandatory  minimum sentence of 60 days when  that crime has                                                               
been committed against a school employee.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR McGUIRE again reread AS  11.41.230(a)(3):  "(3) by words or                                                               
other  conduct that  person recklessly  places another  person in                                                               
fear of imminent physical injury".   She suggested that they take                                                               
the  reference to  that  crime  out of  SSHB  54,  since it  only                                                               
requires proof of recklessness.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GRUENBERG said  he  could envision  criminalizing                                                               
reckless  behavior  committed  against  a  school  employee,  and                                                               
opined  that  people  shouldn't  be  treating  teachers  in  that                                                               
fashion.  He, too, predicted  that a "reasonable person" standard                                                               
used be would.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR McGUIRE,  in response to  a question, noted  that violation                                                               
of AS 11.41.230  constitutes assault in the  fourth degree, which                                                               
is a class A misdemeanor.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  OGG, using  the example  of doctors  and hospital                                                               
employees,  pointed  out  that aside  from  perhaps  correctional                                                               
officers  and law  enforcement  officers, no  one  expects to  be                                                               
assaulted while  doing his/her job, and  so if they are  going to                                                               
single out school employees, they  might as well just provide for                                                               
a  mandatory  minimum  sentence when  anyone  gets  assaulted  as                                                               
described in  AS 11.41.230.  He  said he has a  problem elevating                                                               
one particular group of people over other groups.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Number 1627                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE LYNN argued, however,  that in addition to helping                                                               
people and  being required to protect  students, school employees                                                               
are also  government employees; thus attacking  a school employee                                                               
is akin to attacking the government.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  OGG  questioned,  then,  whether  all  government                                                               
employees,  for example,  legislators, should  be included  under                                                               
the provisions of the bill.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE LYNN  opined that teachers, whom  he suggested act                                                               
as  agents of  the  parents, deserve  the  extra protection  that                                                               
would be afforded via passage  of SSHB 54.  Characterizing school                                                               
as a dangerous  place, he mentioned some of his  experiences as a                                                               
teacher having to confront angry parents.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SAMUELS,  on the  issue of doctors  and government                                                               
employees, noted that some doctors  are also government employees                                                               
but some are not,  and the same could be said of  pilots - in any                                                               
given profession, people  are doing the same job  though they may                                                               
or  may not  be employed  by the  government; therefore,  the law                                                               
should not provide  some people extra protection  based solely on                                                               
whether they are government workers.   He questioned why the bill                                                               
only proposes to  add school employees to the list,  why not also                                                               
doctors, nurses, and pilots.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GARA  remarked that Representative Ogg  has a good                                                               
point.   He offered his  understanding that in the  two instances                                                               
of assaults  on teachers that  were included in  members' packets                                                               
as examples, the  perpetrators got longer sentences  than what is                                                               
being proposed  in SSHB 54.   What is  the problem that  the bill                                                               
proposes to correct, he asked.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE LYNN said  simply that the goal of the  bill is to                                                               
make  it safer  for  teachers to  do their  job  without fear  of                                                               
reprisal  from angry  parents.   Teachers  deserve  this type  of                                                               
protection, he again opined.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GARA  again  pointed  out  that  the  courts  are                                                               
already  sentencing  people  to  more jail  time  than  is  being                                                               
proposed  via SSHB  54.    He said  that  since  this conduct  is                                                               
already  a  crime, he  is  a  little  wary about  establishing  a                                                               
minimum sentence when the  conduct doesn't constitute intentional                                                               
assault.   He suggested altering the  bill so that it  provided a                                                               
minimum mandatory sentence for intentional assault.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE LYNN opined  that "we need to  have something more                                                               
than  we have  now," adding  that he  wouldn't have  problem with                                                               
changing the bill as Representative Gara suggests.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE OGG  asked Representative Lynn whether  he has any                                                               
evidence  - for  example, statistics  from other  jurisdictions -                                                               
which shows  that a  mandatory minimum sentence  of 60  days will                                                               
act as a deterrent.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE LYNN said he did  not, but offered his belief that                                                               
"this is  done in other  jurisdictions," and that  various school                                                               
[districts] support SSHB 54.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  McGUIRE,  in response  to  comments,  noted that  members'                                                               
packets include a memorandum from  Legislative Legal and Research                                                               
Services that  details other states' statutes  pertaining to this                                                               
issue.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Number 1296                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GARA  made a motion  to adopt Amendment 1:   after                                                               
"sentenced" on page  2, line 1, add the words,  ", if the assault                                                               
was  intentional,"; and  place a  period after  "(1)" on  page 2,                                                               
line 2,  and delete the  remainder.  The proposed  language would                                                               
then read in part:                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
          (d)  A defendant convicted of assault in the                                                                          
        fourth degree who knowingly directed the conduct                                                                        
     constituting the offense at ...                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
               (2)  an employee of an elementary, junior                                                                    
     high,  or  secondary  school who  was  engaged  in  the                                                                
     performance  of  school  duties  at  the  time  of  the                                                                
         assault shall be sentenced, if the assault was                                                                     
     intentional, to a minimum term of imprisonment of                                                                      
             (A)  60 days if the defendant violated                                                                         
          AS 11.41.230(a)(1).                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Number 1289                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR McGUIRE objected [for the purpose of discussion].                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GARA said  he is willing to  establish a mandatory                                                               
minimum  sentence  in  instances  of  intentional  assault  on  a                                                               
teacher,  but  is not  thrilled  about  establishing a  mandatory                                                               
minimum  sentence   in  instances   where  the  assault   is  not                                                               
intentional or where it's just a  verbal assault.  He offered his                                                               
belief that  the latter kinds  of assault  can be dealt  with via                                                               
existing  statute and  a judge  can use  his/her discretion  with                                                               
regard to  sentencing.   Amendment 1 would  change the  bill such                                                               
that it  would only  deal with  intentional physical  assaults on                                                               
school employees.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE LYNN said he is comfortable with Amendment 1.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Number 1217                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
VANESSA  TONDINI, Staff  to Representative  Lesil McGuire,  House                                                               
Judiciary   Standing   Committee,   Alaska   State   Legislature,                                                               
mentioned  that  by  adding  the  mental  state  of  intentional,                                                               
Amendment 1  would make the  provisions regarding this  new crime                                                               
of  assaulting  a  school  employee  similar  to  the  provisions                                                               
pertaining  to assault  in the  first degree  and assault  in the                                                               
second degree.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GARA noted  that the bill only  alters the statute                                                               
pertaining to  assault in the  fourth degree.   He offered:   "If                                                               
something is  a recklessness  crime, you can  charge intent  as a                                                               
recklessness  crime,   because  intent   is  more   serious  than                                                               
recklessness; so  you would  be saying  to the  jury, 'It  was at                                                               
least reckless if  not intentional,' and so you just  get your 60                                                               
days by charging it as fourth degree assault."                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Number 1188                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR McGUIRE asked whether there  were any further objections to                                                               
Amendment 1.  There being none, Amendment 1 was adopted.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Number 1170                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG made  a motion to adopt  Amendment 2, to                                                               
make  the title  as narrow  as possible  to conform  to what  the                                                               
committee has done.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR McGUIRE added, "Specifically the  mental intent, ... and to                                                               
educational folks ...."                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Number 1148                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  McGUIRE  asked  whether   there  were  any  objections  to                                                               
Amendment 2.  There being none, Amendment 2 was adopted.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  OGG, referring  to the  aforementioned memorandum                                                               
from Legislative Legal and Research  Services, noted that most of                                                               
the statutes  that other  states have  adopted apply  to students                                                               
who assault teachers, and that  none appear to impose a mandatory                                                               
minimum  sentence of  60 days  or 30  days.   He opined  that the                                                               
length of sentence  should be left up to  the judge's discretion,                                                               
and remarked  that he did not  see a deterrent component  to SSHB
54.                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SAMUELS said he didn't  know why they are not also                                                               
including emergency room doctors,  for example, and other persons                                                               
who work in  occupations where there is a high  risk of coming in                                                               
contact with angry individuals.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR McGUIRE asked whether aggravators would apply.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GARA  said he is not  sure.  He indicated  that he                                                               
would not  be comfortable imposing  a mandatory  minimum sentence                                                               
of  60  days on  a  student  who  loses  control and  assaults  a                                                               
teacher.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  LYNN,  in  response  to  questions,  offered  his                                                               
belief that  SSHB 54  would apply  to students  who are  18 years                                                               
old, and in  instances wherein a coach gets assaulted.   He asked                                                               
that the  committee consider  moving the  amended version  of the                                                               
bill from committee.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  McGUIRE, in  response to  a question,  mentioned that  the                                                               
bill has been referred to the House Finance Committee.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Number 0903                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  McGUIRE  moved to  report  SSHB  54,  as amended,  out  of                                                               
committee  with individual  recommendations and  the accompanying                                                               
fiscal  notes.   There  being no  objection,  CSSSHB 54(JUD)  was                                                               
reported from the House Judiciary Standing Committee.                                                                           

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